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Post by DBJaxNYC on Apr 2, 2004 15:18:57 GMT -5
On the new Labels are for Cans from Get Rad, is the line change from "opinions are a waste" to "your pigeonhole's a waste" a dis to Hole of the Pigeon studios in Jax? I'm probably reading too much into it, but I was just curious.
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Russ
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Post by Russ on Apr 3, 2004 19:22:04 GMT -5
I doubt it. I think it's just a better line.
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Post by GreatScott on Apr 3, 2004 23:04:00 GMT -5
i don't interpret it as a diss anyways. i thought it was aimed at bands going there, not the studio itself.
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Post by Erin on Apr 11, 2004 3:18:17 GMT -5
On the new Labels are for Cans from Get Rad, is the line change from "opinions are a waste" to "your pigeonhole's a waste" a dis to Hole of the Pigeon studios in Jax? I'm probably reading too much into it, but I was just curious. Hmm never thought about it that way..but yeah it could just be a line. |
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Post by jon f. on Apr 11, 2004 10:04:13 GMT -5
the pigeonhole line is not a dis to the now defunct hole of the pigeon studio...quick vocab lesson, to pigeonhole means to place something into a specific category, or for the sake of the song, label it
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Post by duane on Apr 14, 2004 23:25:08 GMT -5
holy moly, one of my friends had the cd "You're a Nation" and she gave me the original cd if i would burn her a copy!!! it was one of the happiest days of my life...i only need the self-titled, sitf, and home. on to my question.
since i've been listening to You're a Nation for all day, i remembered that i used to wonder why all the songs are so depressing in the lyrics. thank you much
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Post by DBJaxNYC on Apr 15, 2004 1:20:51 GMT -5
the pigeonhole line is not a dis to the now defunct hole of the pigeon studio...quick vocab lesson, to pigeonhole means to place something into a specific category, or for the sake of the song, label it Hi jon f., Thanks for the "quick vocab lesson" but I already knew what the verb "to pigeonhole" meant. In the future, you can rest easy about my proficiency in the English language, I go to Columbia University (the reason for the "NYC" part of my message board name). The reason why I asked about the lyric was because, as I'm sure you know since you're so erudite, bands often use lyrics to convey hidden meanings. If this were the first time "Labels are for Cans" had been put on an album, I obviously wouldn't have questioned the lyrics and would have thought nothing of the line "your pigeonhole's a waste." But since the lyrics were changed to that line, I thought there might have been some reason why they were changed to that specific term, particularly since the band had a history with Hole of the Pigeon studios. All of this speculation is the reason why I wanted A MEMBER OF THE BAND to respond to my post and also possibly explain why the line was changed if it had no special meaning, instead I got the smart-ass webmaster trying to talk down to me. And since you seem so fond of lessons, here's one for yourself: when a small band struggling with lineup changes/vacancies has a webboard of only about 100 or so people who represent some of their most supportive fans, it is generally bad policy for their webboard moderator to go out of his way to insult a member when he asks a legitimate question. -- Daniel |
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Post by InRecoveryARFWD on Apr 15, 2004 2:27:33 GMT -5
He didn't insult you, and he knows more than anybody on this board about the band, just as much as the band does. He just offered the definition in case you didn't know.
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Post by CrettinsPuddle on Apr 15, 2004 8:15:18 GMT -5
I'll add my 2 cents to the drumming discussion, i love the oldscool drummer from Lagwagon who drummed on Duh and Trashed, both of which ironically are my fav Lagwagon albums. Unwritten Law drummer is good, specially on Blue Room, Travis from blink which make the band bearable and off the top of my head drummers from Pivit and Open Hand, and of course my fav australian band Crettins Puddle, which leads me to my next question for the I12 guys, what are your favourite aussie bands that you have played with and/or heard of?
Cheers,
Paul.
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Post by BDsnaxCYN on Apr 15, 2004 8:40:05 GMT -5
You know what really butters my bagel? It is when smart ass, big city college kiddies think they know what they are talking about, but in reality, interpret things the wrong way and end up looking like jackasses.
If the aboved "mentioned" college kiddie knew the I-12 webmaster and honestly thought about his message, he would see that there is nothing insincere or antagonistic about what he was saying in regards to "pigeonhole". Jon was to making a simple clarification to those who may have been confused about the meaning of "pigeonhole".
But some people (let's just say big city college kiddie who thinks he knows better) who jump to certain conclusions and think it would be amusing to start some shit. well, YOU DID ASSHOLE!!!!
And by the way you little shit. You can go ahead and try and turn this argument around on me all you like. You opened your mouth, so pull up your panties up and take this like the little boy you are.
And here is some more facts for you. Jon runs this band, is this band and for that matter, knows more about this band then the band does. He pratically tracked the whole damn album.
Ok, i have said my piece for now. Go run off to your big city classes and continue to blend in with all the other big city college kiddies who think they know more than everyone else, you jackass.
ps - to all of those who read this and take offense to the "big city college kiddie" reference i make over and over again, it is really directed at the "actual" big city college kiddie and no one else. sorry for this post, but this kid is really a jackass. sorry to jon too. you deal with enough of these stupid kids, posts and attacks on a daily basis and what these stupid kids don't realize is that they wouldn't be able to post their nonsense if it wasn't for you. later ;D ;D ;D
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Post by jon f. on Apr 15, 2004 9:36:08 GMT -5
wow all this fuss over me...
i realize that 90% of the time i write anything on this board or on the website i am being sarcastic, i think it keeps everything fun and lighthearted, but i say this with the utmost sincerity:
first BDsnaxCYN, thanks for the nice words?? i don't know who you are but i guess you know who i am.
daniel, the only reason i know what the word pigeonhole means is because i had to learn it in my discrete math class in college, i was not trying to be a 'smart-ass' or 'talk down' to you by offering the vocabulary lesson. in all honesty you would never have gotten a reply from one of the band members, i guess specifically dan since he changed the lyric, thus me answering your question. as i re-read my post answering your question, yes i can see how it might come off as sarcastic or smart-assish but that was not my intention and i apologize if i offended you.
i got nothing but love for the i12 masses.
JON
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Post by DBJaxNYC on Apr 15, 2004 23:18:23 GMT -5
In looking back at the past few posts, it's become quite clear to me that I owe an apology.
To Jon,
I apologize for calling you a smart ass and misinterpreting both your connection to the band and the tone of your post. I am not in Inspection 12's "inner circle" so to speak and thus I don't know who a lot of the people who post to this site are and what they have to do with the band. As InRecoveryARFWD and BDsnaxCYN pointed out, you have a huge involvement with Inspection 12's work. Had I known this I would not have raised the issue of wanting to hear specifically from a band member on the lyrics change. Furthermore, I mistook the tone of your post. As anyone who uses AIM or any other kind of electronic correspondence knows, it can be very easy to mistake the meaning of someone's statement when you don't have things like bodily gestures and tone of voice to work with. I apologize for not reading your explanation as a sincere one. Keep up the good work with the website, message board, album tracking, and any other i12 related endeavors you have going.
But as for BDsnax, whoever you are, your post is just ridiculous. You had every right to call me out for my post, because I was flat out wrong and didn't know who I was talking to. I realize that you probably were just defending someone who you felt was being wronged. But what I don't understand is this "big city college kiddie" bullshit. At the time that I posted my message I was still pissed at Jon and I decided to drop the name of my college in my post as a way of showing him that I was at a high enough educational level that I didn't need to have someone give me a lesson about the meaning of a word. I put it in my post to show that I'm not some stupid middle school kid, not because I think that I'm better than everybody else. I don't know where you get off on thinking that; nowhere in my post do I mention that, and it's definitely not what I think. In fact, one of the first things I learned when I first started going to college is that there are always plenty of people that either know more than you do or can do something better than you can. Additionally, I find it absurd that you say your "kiddie" reference applies only to me. How could i possibly "continue to blend in with all the other big city college kiddies who think they know more than everyone else" if the term is only directed at me and not at others like me. Obviously you've stereotyped all the kids who go to my school as urban snobs, which is unfathomable because my school has so many kids from different parts of the country (yes, even including small towns, even towns smaller than Jacksonville where I was born and raised) and from different social backgrounds. Your thinking that my peers and I are snobs is every bit as ignorant as my thinking that Jon was not qualified to speak for the band. So no, I usually don't think I know more than everyone else, but after seeing the limited reasoning ability you demonstrated in your post, I do feel pretty safe in saying that, aside from Inspection 12, I know more than YOU. Take care ;D ;D ;D
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Post by BDsnaxCYN on Apr 16, 2004 7:12:40 GMT -5
Well,
I am glad Jon got his deserved apology. We all know that Jon rules and makes the band rock and the website rock even harder.
And as for the singled out "big city college kiddie", you make me laugh. You make laugh really loud and hard. Best of luck to you in the real world after college. Believe me you are going to need it. And that statement about "YOU" knowing more thn me, my god, you hit the nail right on the head Mr. Nieve. Spoken like a true, insecure jackass. I mean, that college education must be really paying off, atleast with the ego and confidence boosting. Smarter than me aye? Wow, "YOU" just keep telling yourself that. Apparently "YOU" need the reassurance.
And way to go on being original with the " ;D ;D ;D". Touche, you got me!
Later
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Post by GreatScott on Apr 22, 2004 20:30:56 GMT -5
maybe jon can answer this:
what In recovery song's was used as the intro to homesick. basically what song was scott counting the beat to.
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Post by jon f. on Apr 22, 2004 21:53:32 GMT -5
scott, i have no idea what song scott is counting to, but i'm not so sure its from the in recovery sessions, i'm leaning towards step into the fire...because they saved most all of scott's stuff from SITF, and they were actually gonna put in scott vocals on 'a better friend' ('you betrayed me and all my trust') but either the new recording was slower than the old or the old tapes weren't compatible or something like that, so they used that soundclip of him counting instead.
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