Kurt

[DTP]

Hey guys....just wanted to remind everyone and show my respect to kurt cobain, who passed away april 5th of 1994. yep, its been ten years already. i cant believe it. i was in 4th grade when he died. i think he is one the most influencial musicians ever, and not just in rock. its hard to believe I12 started about the time when nirvana was still around. just curious if kurt or nirvana had or has any effect on I12 as a band.

[i12tim]

Oh yes Kurt and Nirvana had a huge influnece on I12. Dan and I were best friends in elementary school and our main interest was music. Our first love was Metallica...and then a couple years later it was Nirvana and other grunge bands. When I12 first started, they played Nirvana covers, and if you ever are able to hear the first Inpsection 12 tape (the epononymous ep), you'll see that the songs sound like Nirvana cuz thats what Dan liked. There was even a song about Kurt Cobain killing himself on there...its pretty funny stuff. So yeah Nirvana had a huge influence on Dan and the band, and we still love Nirvana, they were amazing.

[ZeroDown]

i was never a fan.

[Petri]

i used to be a huge fan. not anymore. the only thing that depresses me about kurt dying 10 years ago today, is the fact that ITS BEEN 10 FUCKING YEARS ALREADY!!!!!!!! time is flying. this sucks! i hate getting old

[ianos]

10 years ago there was a genocide in Rwanda, costing almost 1,000,000 (that's a MILLION, kids) people their lives, and leaving thousands of women purposefully infected with HIV. But hey, lets just whine about a junkie who shot himself.

Sorry, it just annoys me.

[InRecoveryARFWD]

One death is not more important that a million, and vice versa. Death is death, they are all tragedies, certain people fell stronger for some then others...it's not a punishable offense, nor should it be. My grandpa died 14 years ago, but 6 millions Jews were executed during World War 2. Isn't it possible to feel sadness for both? Because believe me, I do. Just as I feel for the loss of the million in Rwanda, as well as Kurt Cobain.

[Petri]

dude, did those people in rwanda choose to die? hmmmm, somehow i doubt it. im not gonna cry myself a river over a dude who decided to kill himself. and putting all the conspiracy stuff aside. if he wanted to die, why should i feel bad? fuck him. looking up to him means nothing when youre too much of a pussy to man up to things, and obviously kurt was a pussy. oh well. lets stop comparing genocide to suicide

[GreatScott]

InRecoveryARFWD said:

One death is not more important that a million, and vice versa.

vice versa? so a million deaths are not more important than one death? That's a scary thought

InRecoveryARFWD said:

My grandpa died 14 years ago, but 6 millions Jews were executed during World War 2. Isn't it possible to feel sadness for both?

what would be sad is if a million lives were murdered and then forgotten while your grandmpa gets all the attention for dying of old age. I believe there's an injustice there.

[CHickey]

The fact of the matter is you can't compare the genocide of millions to one suicide, the idea of even comparing the two is absurd. For one, the numbers are extremely far apart, and secondly the reasons why they died are completely different.

As for Petri, I'd watch my tongue when I spoke of someone's death. Your choice of words were less then prudent. Same goes for you GreatScott. You two truly need to grow up.

[InRecoveryARFWD]

GreatScott said:

what would be sad is if a million lives were murdered and then forgotten while your grandmpa gets all the attention for dying of old age. I believe there's an injustice there.

I'm glad you know so much about me. My grandpa died at 53 years old of stomach cancer. And maybe someday you will experience a loss closer to you than a million people in a country you've never heard of.

I'm not saying they should've happened, no one is saying that. Like Connor said, you shouldn't be comparing them in the first place, that's why I said I feel sadness for both.

[GreatScott]

my point is you can compare, and you ought to compare. It's criminal to think that a million deaths are no worse than one death. We're talking about real lives here, real deaths, real blood in the streets.

So from what I see, it's conner and ben that lack compassion, not petri and myself. Lets see you guys care about otheres besides your own family. that's all. So don't think i don't sympathize with a loss of a loved one, the point is it's sad when people get killed and it gets unnoticed. so respond to that point.

[Saman25]

My two cents:

No, you cannot compare one life to millions of lives- it's an insult to the deceased to even try. You can grieve the loss of anyone, but the fact of the matter is- the closer you were with the person, the more you you will feel for them. And though we all wish the world would stop to mourn when someone dies, it doesn't. Maybe taking a day out to remember the life of someone doesn't appeal to you- so be it. But there's no reason to rag on those who do. Personally, I'm uncomfortable with the idea of celebrating the life of someone on the annivesary of his death, but that stems from my own beliefs. That's not to say I don't feel distress when the anniversary of my own grandfather's death comes around.

No one person's life is more or less valuable than another's. I'm sure we can all agree on that.

[CHickey]

Throwing around accusations of myself and Ben lacking compassion when you can't even spell my name, even after it's spelled correctly in the post you're respoonding to is a little contradictory. You know and understand neither myself, nor Ben. I would advise that you refrain from making statements such as "Lets see you guys care about otheres besides your own family." One, because it's bad grammar, and two because it's accusational. On another point you're contradicting yourself in the fact that you showed little or no "compassion" when Ben informed you of his grandfather's death.
Ben never said that the millions of people who died were worthless, he simply said he empathizes for both them and his grandfather.
Everyday, people die and no one notices. This will never change, it's like writing an anti-war book. Your point is moot, "you might as well write an anti-glacier book." -Kurt Vonnegut

[GreatScott]

CHickey said:

Throwing around accusations of myself and Ben lacking compassion when you can't even spell my name, even after it's spelled correctly in the post you're responding to is a little contradictory.

Thanks for giving us all a good example of a pseudo refutation. Whether or not you really are compassionate does not depend on me spelling your name correctly. So don't throw fallacies around and think I'm going to fall for them. If you also noticed, I failed to capitalize the first letter of each sentence. I also have a lot of fragmented sentences. So once again, my grammar, spelling and punctuation have no bearing on the validity of my argument. And if you can't see that, then you're not looking.

CHickey said:

You know and understand neither myself, nor Ben. I would advise that you refrain from making statements such as "Lets see you guys care about others besides your own family."

Funny how you told me that I need to grow up. I believe it'd be prudent to know me before such a statement. So therefore since you've made it okay to accuse people of things, then it's okay for me as well. I'm simply following your lead.

CHickey said:

On another point you're contradicting yourself in the fact that you showed little or no "compassion" when Ben informed you of his grandfather's death.

I've lost all my grandparents and believe me I can sympathize, but that's not what this thread was about. And I'm sure Ben doesn't need my condolences. I've just been trying to stick to Petri's point about how one man's death gets more attention than a million. Its that simple. I didn't start this thread, I'm just going along with what I've read, it's called discussion. Ben's point digressed from this point.

CHickey said:

Everyday, people die and no one notices. This will never change, it's like writing an anti-war book. Your point is moot, "you might as well write an anti-glacier book." -Kurt Vonnegut

So if it happens everyday and you assume people will never change, what's the point? Fact is people do change, discourse does change. New paradigms come and go, so I hardly believe our current discourse will remain stale and stagnate.

Glaciers are an act of nature and can easily be argued that they are important to the functioning of the ecosystem. Now I'm assuming you must feel war is the same thing. Like we must have war to keep population under control, or sometimes war is just inevitable. I'm not a pacifist and I really believe in violence as a means to stopping violence, but I'm not ignorant enough to think war is as necessary to life as glaciers.

So basically that empathetic position of yours doesn't further anything. Its a very conservative position. Lets see some active thought that promotes change for the better, not the status quo that's imprisoning millions and murdering more millions.

[Petri]

the fact that a 12 year old kid is telling me to grow up makes my brain hurt. considering you were 2 years old when kurt cobain died makes me ask myself, "why should i give a shit about what some kid, who tries to use his advanced vocabulary to talk down to people, has to say about kurt cobain? or basically anything for that matter. not that kids your age arent smart. but to basically disregard everything people twice your age are saying basically shows how immature you truly are. oh but i forgot, owning a tv and living in the suburbs gives you the necessary life experience and knowledge to form an intelligent opinion on world wide politics and the suicide of a rock star.