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Post by skinnydude99 on Oct 13, 2004 11:42:19 GMT -5
holy crap! my dad eats a whole bowl of Special K every morning!
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Post by L9U9C8Y1 on Oct 13, 2004 12:15:02 GMT -5
lol
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Post by i12matt on Oct 13, 2004 22:55:24 GMT -5
Might as well keep it rolling with the page long posts... here's something someone fowarded me about "Thing You Have To Believe to Be a Republican Today." Here it goes:
Saddam was a good guy when Reagan armed him,
a bad guy when Bush's daddy made war on him,
a good guy when Cheney did business with him and
a bad guy when Bush needed a "we can't find Bin Laden"
diversion.
Trade with Cuba is
wrong because the country is
communist, but
trade with China and Vietnam is vital to a spirit of
international harmony.
The United States should
Get out of the United
Nations, and our
highest national priority is enforcing U.N.
resolutions against Iraq.
A woman can't be trusted with decisions about her own
body, but
multi-national corporations can make decisions
affecting all mankind
without regulation.
Jesus loves you, and shares your hatred of homosexuals
The best way to improve military morale is to praise
the troops in speeches
while slashing veterans' benefits and combat pay.
If condoms are kept out of schools, adolescents won't
have sex.
A good way to fight terrorism is to belittle our
long-time allies,
then demand their cooperation and money.
Providing health care to all Iraqis is sound policy.
Providing health care to all Americans is socialism.
HMOs and insurance companies have the best interests
of the public at
heart.
Global warming and tobacco's link to cancer are junk
science, but
creationism should be taught in schools.
A president lying about an extramarital affair is an
impeachable offense.
A president lying to enlist support for a war in which
thousands die is
solid defense policy.
Government should limit itself to the powers named in
the Constitution,
which include banning gay marriages and censoring the
Internet.
The public has a right to know about Hillary's cattle
trades, but
George Bush's driving record is none of our business.
Being a drug addict is a moral failing and a crime,
unless you're a
conservative radio host. Then it's an illness, and you
need our prayers for
your recovery.
You support states' rights, which means Attorney
General John Ashcroft
can tell states what local voter initiatives they have
the right to adopt.
What Bill Clinton did in the 1960s is of vital
national interest,
but what Bush did in the '80s is irrelevant.
While I agree with all these, it is not from my own hand... I simply cut and pasted it. Don't hate the playa, hate the game... yeah, right.
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Post by inspectionstare on Oct 14, 2004 3:08:48 GMT -5
that was good.
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CypressDrummer
Got Rad
Hahahahahaha...Thomas the Train...awesome
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Post by CypressDrummer on Oct 14, 2004 9:03:27 GMT -5
Here was something forwarded to me, Matt...20 Things You Have To Believe If You're Going To Be A Democrat...I agree with all these things, but they're not from my hand either. Hate the playa, Dems.
1) You believe the AIDS virus is spread by a lack of funding.
2) You have to be against capital punishment but for abortion on demand - In short: you support protecting the guilty and killing the innocent.
3) You have to believe that the same overpaid public school idiot who can't teach 4th graders how to read is qualified to teach those same kids about sex.
4) You have to believe that trial lawyers are selfless heroes and doctors are overpaid.
5) You have to believe that guns in the hands of law-abiding Americans are more of a threat than nuclear weapons in the hands of the Koreans.
6) You have to believe that global temperatures are less affected by cyclical, documented changes in the brilliance of the Sun, and more affected by yuppies driving SUVs.
7) You have to believe that gender roles are artificial but being gay is natural.
8) You have to believe that businesses create oppression and governments create prosperity.
9) You have to believe that hunters don't care about nature but pasty-faced activists who've never been outside Seattle do.
10) You have to believe that self-esteem is more important than actually doing something to earn it.
11) You have to believe there was no art before federal funding.
12) You have to believe the military, not corrupt politicians, start wars.
13) You have to believe the free market that gives us 500+ channels can't deliver the programming quality PBS does.
14) You have to believe the NRA is bad, because it stands up for certain parts of the Constitution, while the ACLU is good, because they stand up for certain parts of the Constitution.
15) You have to believe that taxes are too low but ATM fees are too high.
16) You have to believe that Harriet Tubman, Cesar Chavez and Gloria Steinman are more important to American history than Thomas Jefferson, General Robert E. Lee or Thomas Alva Edison.
17) You have to believe that standardized tests are racist, but racial quotas and set-asides aren't.
18) You have to believe that second-hand smoke is more dangerous than HIV.
19) You have to believe that conservatives are racists but black people couldn't make it without your help.
20) You have to believe that the only reason democratic socialism hasn't worked anywhere it's been tried is because the right people haven't been in charge.
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Post by L9U9C8Y1 on Oct 14, 2004 11:53:58 GMT -5
Nice one Cypress.
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Post by inspectionstare on Oct 14, 2004 14:51:18 GMT -5
A DAY IN THE LIFE OF JOE REPUBLICAN
Joe gets up at 6 a.m. and fills his coffeepot with water to prepare his morning coffee. The water is clean and good because some tree-hugging liberal fought for minimum water-quality standards. With his first swallow of coffee, he
takes his daily medication. His medications are safe to take because some stupid commie liberal fought to insure their safety and that they work as advertised.
All but $10 of his medications are paid for by his employer's medical plan because some liberal union workers fought their employers for paid medical insurance - now Joe gets it too. He prepares his morning breakfast, bacon and eggs.
Joe's bacon is safe to eat because some girly-man liberal fought for laws to regulate the meat packing industry.
In the morning shower, Joe reaches for his shampoo. His bottle is properly labeled with each ingredient and its amount in the total contents because some crybaby liberal fought for his right to know what he was putting on his body
and how much it contained. Joe dresses, walks outside and takes a deep breath. The air he breathes is clean because some environmentalist wacko liberal fought for laws to stop industries from polluting our air. He walks to the subway station for his government-subsidized ride to work. It saves him considerable money in parking and transportation fees because some fancy-pants liberal fought for affordable public transportation, which gives everyone the opportunity to be a contributor.
Joe begins his work day. He has a good job with excellent pay, medical benefits, retirement, paid holidays and vacation because some lazy liberal union members fought and died for these working standards. Joes employer pays these standards because Joe's employer doesn't want his employees to call the union.
If Joe is hurt on the job or becomes unemployed, he'll get a worker compensation or unemployment check because some stupid liberal didn't think
he should lose his home because of his temporary misfortune.
Its noontime and Joe needs to make a bank deposit so he can pay some bills.
Joe's deposit is federally insured by the FSLIC because some godless liberal wanted to protect Joe's money from unscrupulous bankers who ruined the banking system before the Great Depression.
Joe has to pay his Fannie Mae-underwritten mortgage and his below-market federal student loan because some elitist liberal decided that Joe and the government would be better off if he was educated and earned more money over his
lifetime.
Joe is home from work. He plans to visit his father this evening at his farm home in the country. He gets in his car for the drive. His car is among the safest in the world because some America-hating liberal fought for car safety
standards. He arrives at his boyhood home. His was the third generation to live in the house financed by Farmers' Home Administration because bankers didn't want to make rural loans. The house didn't have electricity until some big-government liberal stuck his nose where it didn't belong and demanded rural electrification.
He is happy to see his father, who is now retired. His father lives on Social Security and a union pension because some wine-drinking, cheese-eating liberal made sure he could take care of himself so Joe wouldn't have to.
Joe gets back in his car for the ride home, and turns on a radio talk show. The radio host keeps saying that liberals are bad and conservatives are good. He doesn't mention that the beloved Republicans have fought against every protection and benefit Joe enjoys throughout his day.
Joe agrees: "We don't need those big-government liberals ruining our lives! After all, I'm a self-made man who believes everyone should take care of
themselves, just like I have."
this is like a boxing match. lol
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Post by inspectionstare on Oct 14, 2004 15:09:18 GMT -5
pretty much all of these arguments are fallacies (the crap us liberals are posting, along with your right wing crap, haha) but i think i'll resond to the ones that really annoyed me. this line is nothing but a pathetic attempt to toy with peoples emotions. the reason why alot of liberals are against capital punishment is because of the un-surety in it. there have been countless cases where people have received life long sentences and even death and now we know that they were innocent. there can be no perfect judicial system there will always be uncertainties, imperfections, set ups, etc. giving certain people the power to take someone ELSES life is wrong, at least in this world. abortion: i totally think that morally abortion is wrong (do i think that i am a moralizer that should have the right to enforce my morals on someone else, NO). do i think it should be illegal, no. why? because it will do nothing but cause a black market. the government can not Control supply and demand, they can only regulate it. making abortion illegal would end up with nothing but disastrous results. hahaha, this one is just funny. is the current president doing anything about korea? and what do you believe? that all gays are nothing but liars and that biological science is wrong? have fun defending that one. bahhh hahahaha i seriously laughed at pretty much all of those. right wingers playing on emotions  nothing new |
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Post by i12matt on Oct 14, 2004 16:09:57 GMT -5
I like mine better... I think you sunk your own ship with this one: You have to believe the military, not corrupt politicians, start wars. Can you say George W. Bush children? Ok, now try... Dick Cheney... good... and last but not least, how about... Donald Rumsfeld.. good.. that completes today's lesson on corrupt politicians.
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Post by inspectionstare on Oct 14, 2004 22:03:35 GMT -5
i think i'll continue.
yeah, all 4th grade teachers are "idiot(s)" who are overpaid and can't teach kids how to read.
doctors are overpaid. there is a crisis going on with health care right now, why? because doctors take advantage of insurance companys which in turn raises premiums for everyone. now the average person has to take out a loan to be able to have health insurance.
that is all opinion. different studies show different things. on the other hand, if a suv wrecks into my smaller car guess what? i'm dead, and he's just fine. is that fair? probably not.
being liberal does not mean that you are a communist.
lol, pathetic.
don't agree with that but the profit driven free market media has given us lie after lie because afterall, they are nothing but a business trying to make money.
taxes are to low for the rich. is it fair for a multi millionaire to recieve tax breaks from good ol' george w. while a single mother of 3 making $15,000 per year does not? probably not.
certain situations need some extra help. do you think a kid raised in the bronx, going to the shittiest public schools, with absolutly no money to get ahead is on the same playing field as some super rich kid who lives in the suberbs, goes to the finest schools, and has all the money in the world to take him places? ummmm,,,, NO. we can't ignore the fact that some people are in a rut and need help out.
another stupid assumption that being liberal in the USA means that you are a socialist. retarded.
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FlowersFromIdaho
Got Rad
Consider the daffodil. And while you're doing that, I'll be over here, looking through your stuff.
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Post by FlowersFromIdaho on Oct 14, 2004 23:09:13 GMT -5
I haven't had a whole lot of time lately, but I thought that I might try and set you straight on just a few things (I only have like 10 minutes to do this, I hope to have more time later to expand):
And yet, Senator Kerry opposed a bill that contained $300 million requested by the Pentagon to buy best-grade body armor for all troops in Iraq, and also contained additional combat pay and health benefits for reservists called to active duty. So that's a two-way street for both Reds and Blues, no matter how you want to try and spin it.
And yet, Kerry repeatedly calls the war in Iraq a "mistake," and continues to insult our allies, though he's probably too dense to realize that he's insulting them. Kerry seems to dismiss the contributions of most of the 30-member coalition as insignificant. Not the greatest way to garner cooperation and trust like he promises. And it's just too complex for me to get into right now, all the "allies" that we "belitted" had a LOT to lose by our invading Iraq, mainly because they stood to gain money once the sanctions failed. Sanctions that obviously weren't working, I might add. I don't think the war was the best idea, and Kerry voted to go to war, too. I think we rushed into it and we weren't really prepared, and we didn't have a good plan. But I think that now that we're in there, we can't afford to leave. We have to finish what we started, and that means giving our troops what they need so that they can get the job done as quickly as possible, and come home. Don't block bills just to make a point, our troops need our support and it takes money to give it to them.
Too bad this isn't just a problem with the Republicans. It must be nice to be so idealistic, but reality has to come in somewhere. And the fact is, both parties take special-interest money, and both are backed by large corporations. The Kerry/Edwards campaign is under the thumb of trial lawyers, who I find utterly repulsive, especially since Edwards made his millions by successfully suing doctors, many times they were frivolous lawsuits (blaming the DOCTORS for a baby having cerebral palsey! Fucking ridiculous.) My father-in-law is a doctor, and his malpractice insurance costs are through the roof thanks to assholes like Edwards, and they're so bad he's planning to retire in a few years. Also, once there is brain activity in the fetus, then it's alive and a seperate person, and aborting it is murder. Death is defined by absence of brain activity, so it should define life. Late-term abortions should be illegal, a woman has plenty of time before then to get an abortion, there's no reason for her to wait that long. I'm sort of pro-choice, but I'm not pro-indecision.
This ties into a lot of what I said above. The insurance companies have their own best interests at heart, mainly because they are afraid of trial lawyers like Edwards. If people weren't egged on by assclowns like Edwards to be so sue-happy, maybe things would be different. When an attorney fucks over an insurance company, who does the insurance company look to fuck over? Yup, it's you. Shit rolls downhill. Keep going after the insurance companies, costs keep going up. It may come to a point where insurance costs are so high, no one will be able to afford them, even worse than it is now. Of course, Kerry has a "plan," so he keeps saying, but no one really seems to know what it is. If it involves more government control/intervention, then it sucks and is just going to fuck things up even more. We need less government intervention, not more.
Americans HAVE access to healthcare, every single American is able to walk into a hospital and get treatment. Not so in Iraq. They just don't have as many hospitals and as much access to healthcare as we do, and there's nothing wrong with helping them get it set up. At the same time, attention needs to be paid to our own healthcare system, and that is slowly happening. Things can't happen overnight, not even Kerry can do that.
That's all I have time to say right now. Matt, I hate to say this, but you look like a narrow-minded and ignorant jackass. Nothing pisses me off more than people judging a whole group of people by a few outspoken examples. O'Reilly and Hannity by FAR do not represent the whole of the Republican party, and to paint all conservatives with the same brush is just stupid and pointless. I think that Mike Moore is a giant horse's ass that looks like Watto from Star Wars, but I sure as hell don't go as far as to say that all liberals are as deceitful and as hate-mongering as he is. He is just one outspoken exception to the rule, he doesn't represent the whole of the party, and neither do those two conservative jackasses. You should be a little less judgmental, I don't see Cypress or L9U9C8Y1 being so quick to paint all the liberals like you and inspectionstare are the conservatives. Try not to let your hatred of certain people blind you to the good people and things of the other party. The Democrats, just like the Republicans, are FAR from right about everything, so it's time to stop acting like a self-righteous jackass. I know you're a smart guy, you're better than that. There's no reason we can't have a civil discussion about politics without resorting to such childish behavior.
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Petri
Beast Light
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Post by Petri on Oct 14, 2004 23:21:07 GMT -5
wow, now that has to be the harshest thing anyone has ever said about a member of inspection 12 on their own message board. Who let George Bush in here? He must have really good taste in music
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Post by inspectionstare on Oct 14, 2004 23:25:21 GMT -5
to tell you the truth i'm liberal when it comes to personal freedom issues and more conservative with economic policies. what does that make me.............................a libertarian! HORRAY for 3rd parties, let's all join them and throw our votes away. haha, no seriously i think that protecting personal freedoms is more important than protecting economic freedoms, that's why i consider myself liberal. i love our 2 party system where it has become an either or situation. www.lp.org |
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Post by inspectionstare on Oct 14, 2004 23:27:05 GMT -5
that was funny
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FlowersFromIdaho
Got Rad
Consider the daffodil. And while you're doing that, I'll be over here, looking through your stuff.
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Post by FlowersFromIdaho on Oct 15, 2004 0:44:19 GMT -5
Okay, I really didn't have time for this, but once I saw this post, I felt compelled to respond.
Who says doctors are overpaid? You mean because they spend their money to go to school and work their asses off to do a demanding and stressful job that they have to tip-toe around or else will be hit with some bullshit frivolous lawsuit they are overpaid? Are you a doctor? Do you actually know what being a doctor entails? No? I didn't think so. I do know, and my FIL busts his ass 70-80 hours a week, never gets to see his kids or his wife. He EARNS that money, and he deserves it after the years of school and training he went through. Idiots like you think doctors are overpaid and that's why insurance is so high. That is so moronic it's laughable. I'll direct you to my earlier post to explain why insurance costs are so high. Doctors take advantage of insurance companies? Think again. Trial lawyers like Edwards and morons who file frivolous lawsuits are the reason why insurance is so high. Trial lawyers are grossly overpaid. Don't you ever stop to wonder just WHERE the money comes from that pays for these lawsuits? No, probably not.
So, what you're basically saying is that it's okay for YOU to choose to drive a smaller car, but it's NOT okay for him to choose to drive an SUV? Is that fair? Probably not. I don't care for SUVs much, myself, but what exactly are you suggesting? That companies stop making SUVs? If a semi-truck crashes into your smaller car, you're dead and the driver's just fine. Should we stop making those, too? Is that fair? What is your solution?
Why shouldn't the rich be taxed the same as everyone? Is it fair for the rich to have to shoulder the burden of society with the money they worked hard to earn? Why shouldn't they get to keep their own money? Taxes are done by a percentage of your earnings, right? So if they make more, they pay more. That seems fair to me. What doesn't seem fair is if they are taxed more than everyone else. What if it was you who was rich, wouldn't you be pissed off if you had to pay more taxes just because you had more money? If Kerry gets elected, there will be more taxes all around. You can't really raise taxes AND cut taxes at once.
I agree, certain people do need more help, like the hypothetical person in your example. But don't you think that instead of having a system that helps only minorities, there should be one that helps the poor of all races? Don't you think there should be a system that doesn't target just one or two races, but the criteria for getting, say, scholarships, should be if you come from a family that has an income lower than x rather than your skin color has to be darker? There are poor people of all nationalities, to give help to just blacks and hispanics IS racist. There are ways to get those who need help into school so they can get well-paying jobs that don't require a blank pass based on their skin colors.
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