FlowersFromIdaho
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Post by FlowersFromIdaho on Oct 2, 2004 15:23:17 GMT -5
You guys are cracking me up! Do you really think that the guns that criminals and gangbangers use were obtained LEGALLY? You think they went to a gun shop and applied for it, had a background check done, waited however many days, and have them registered? No, of course not. Making guns illegal wouldn't keep guns out of dirty hands, it would just make it harder for people who need to protect themselves from those criminals to get the means to do it. We have a Glock, it's kept locked up in a safe place, but it's nice to know that if someone did break into my house and try to harm me or my family, that I could protect them and myself. My gun is registered, and it can be traced back to me. Most criminals don't use registered guns.
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Post by L9U9C8Y1 on Oct 4, 2004 16:19:57 GMT -5
Oops I just realized I misspelled quite a few words on my last post... apparantly = apparently... beleive = believe and opionions = opinions ....
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and I'm sure as soon as I post this I'll see more...
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Post by i12matt on Oct 4, 2004 17:13:05 GMT -5
Hey, just so you know there is a modify button in between quote and delete... you can go back and edit your posts if you see mistakes. Later.
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Post by inspectionstare on Oct 4, 2004 21:56:43 GMT -5
you are either mislead or one of the richest people in america because his "tax break" was only for the super rich.
haha, the bush adminstration's last excuse for a ridiculous war. did you notice how the reason for the war has changed like 5 times now?
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Post by i12matt on Oct 5, 2004 0:24:40 GMT -5
This is fucking awesome!!!!! www.gallup.com/election2004/Bush and Kerry are now even in the polls among likely votes at 49%. This is a big departure from say two weeks ago when it was more like 60-40 in favor of Bush. It just goes to show you how much better Kerry did in the debate and that everyone knows it. Bush is retarded. As far as Saddam goes, I'm not in favor of the war in Iraq, but I'm glad for the people of Iraq to no longer be in a dictatorship, although they're certainly not a democracy either. More like anarchy... my beef about the war is that there are alot of bad leaders out there who are bad men who do terrible things to their people but we only seem to be liberating the ones who are sitting on oil fields which the President's dad couldn't conquer when he tried ten years ago. Oh, did I say conquer?? I meant liberate. One could argue the same for Cuba... that they need to be liberated. It's only like 3 hours from Miami and we don't give a shit about those people. We can't even buy their damn cigars, but we sure love that Iraqi oil. I guess they figure that Castro will die soon enough since he's only been oppressing the Cuban people for 50 years. It may not be as severe as Saddam, but it's another example of how we selectively choose who we want to invade.... I mean liberate. |
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Post by inspectionstare on Oct 5, 2004 0:44:46 GMT -5
north korea is a REAL threat. but pre emptive war is a rediculous.
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Post by i12matt on Oct 5, 2004 1:37:17 GMT -5
Well, it doesn't look like I'm voting for anyone... first of all I thought I was registered to vote, but I guess if you've changed addresses you have to re-register. Well, I didn't know this but it really doesn't matter now since there is a deadline... I've been watching all these pro-voting commercials and newcasts for months and not one of them mentioned this 29 day deadline which expired today. So I'm fucked and I'm not able to vote... isn't that some bullshit?
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ianos
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Post by ianos on Oct 5, 2004 5:32:06 GMT -5
look at Britain...their hospitals are overcrowded, doctors and nurses overworked and stressed beyond belief, and when you actually DO need to get worked on (like, let's say, a car wreck that has left you bleeding internally or something) the lines are horrendous. you die before you even get the bill. Whoa, whoa! We have waiting lists, we have overcrowded hospitals, yes - the NHS is a bag of shite, but it isn't that bad! You don't die waiting in line! And we don't get a bill, that's the point of the NHS. Free healthcare for all. Which, in theory, isn't just a good idea - it should be fucking mandatory. I feel bad for America - you only have a two party system. Even over here (England) where we've had the Tories and Labour running the country forever we still have more than enough opportunities to vote for other parties, and have our votes actually mean something - the next election will see something of a shakeup, as most Britons have lost confidence in the ruling Labour party, and most just hate the Tories, so a lot of people are voting for the Liberal Democrats. The only party in Britain who openly opposed the war in Iraq. Change is ahappening over here. I just wish you guys had the same opportunities. |
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CypressDrummer
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Post by CypressDrummer on Oct 5, 2004 8:07:18 GMT -5
yea, i understand the pros of more than a two party system. but having five or six parties can also have it's drawbacks.
this is an extreme example, but remember when Hitler was elected? it was because there were about six political parties in Germany to choose from. he only got about 18 percent of the vote in Germany, but it was more than the others.
but i do wish the two parties were a little more different. or we had a viable third party.
as for iraq not being a democracy yet, matt...i agree, it's not. and i do wish we had gone after north korea first...but we have to pick our battles. i think this war was more about showing any other country that even thought about crossing us that we could go in, take a country, have HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF TROOPS SURRENDER WITHOUT A FIGHT and put the wheels in motion for another government to cycle in.
i think we should wait ten years from now to judge if going into iraq was the right thing to do. it's still too early to tell. if ten years from now, Iraq is a stable country, in the UN, participating in global trade and whatnot, then Bush was right. if ten years from now, we're still struggling, then I'm with you guys 100 percent that this war was not the right thing to do.
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Post by L9U9C8Y1 on Oct 5, 2004 10:02:51 GMT -5
Ok for one thing the tax cut was not just for the rich. It was the same percentage across the board. I'm not a wealthy person but my tax refund for the past few years has been awesome!! I'm just curious to know the age group of everyone on here. That and who is in college and who has a full time job. I'm 23. Another thing we shouldn't forget is how our system works. To go to war Congress has to vote to authorize it. I agree with Cypress about having to wait 10 years to see if Iraq was the right thing to do. Only time will tell. I agree too that it would be nice to have a 3rd party that was more down the middle of the 2 we already have.
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Post by inspectionstare on Oct 5, 2004 16:03:59 GMT -5
why do we have to go after anyone? seriously?!
the bush admin. has brain washed everyone into thinking that pre-emptive war is the way to go about solving every world problem.
i just wish that every country was like sweden. this world would be such a chill, layed back place. haha
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Post by i12matt on Oct 5, 2004 16:26:42 GMT -5
It's Switzerland that's completely neutral, not Sweden. However, Sweden doesn't seem to be invading too many people either. In fact, the U.S. seems to be about the only country that IS.
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i12dude14
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Post by i12dude14 on Oct 5, 2004 16:42:51 GMT -5
Yeah,it seems like only the US and whoever decides to side with us,Great Britain for example.Hey,we made the mistake of going into Iraq and they decided to support us.I mean it's nice to have somebody on our side,but they are getting dragged into the same thing we have put ourselves in.
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Post by i12matt on Oct 6, 2004 0:35:34 GMT -5
I just saw Farenheit 9/11 for the first time on DVD. I'm really blown away by the images of Iraq that you never get to see on our "impartial" newcasts... people really hate us there you can't criticize Saddam for killing innocent people when the U.S. military is doing the exact same thing. I don't want to go into this right now because it's really upsetting, but if you haven't seen the movie, please do whether you agree with it or not. I love Michael Moore and always have and found this very enlightening. 1000 dead troops may not seem like alot compared to say Vietnam but when you see their grieving families it really puts it into perspective.
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ianos
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Post by ianos on Oct 6, 2004 9:08:13 GMT -5
Just breaking this up so it's easier for me to respond  yea, i understand the pros of more than a two party system. but having five or six parties can also have it's drawbacks. this is an extreme example, but remember when Hitler was elected? it was because there were about six political parties in Germany to choose from. he only got about 18 percent of the vote in Germany, but it was more than the others. but i do wish the two parties were a little more different. or we had a viable third party. It wasn't just because there were five or six parties - the German people were disenfranchised with a government that were bullied into submission by the rest of Europe because of the first World War, employment and poverty were rampant and so they turned to the only party that would listen to them and address their needs by standing up for what they wanted - the Nazi party. And we all know what happened from there. Having choice isn't a bad thing. Being more or less forced into voting for one or the other is ridiculous. I am not American, so obviously can't vote, but looking at both parties, neither of them really appeals to me personally. I wouldn't want to vote for one or the other simply because it was a compromise, and I wouldn't want to vote for a third party, as in America it would be pointless and a wasted vote. It's not a nice situation. It's why I'm enjoying the political situation over here right now, with Labour and the Tories running scared as the Lib Dems pick up more and more credibility and support. On the flipside, we have another party rising up to power called the UK Independence Party, who - basically - are Nazis. Racist, bigoted arseholes, but with suits on. Unfortunately this seems to be convincing a fair few people that they are a legitimate political party. I'm waffling... as for iraq not being a democracy yet, matt...i agree, it's not. and i do wish we had gone after north korea first...but we have to pick our battles. i think this war was more about showing any other country that even thought about crossing us that we could go in, take a country, have HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF TROOPS SURRENDER WITHOUT A FIGHT and put the wheels in motion for another government to cycle in. i think we should wait ten years from now to judge if going into iraq was the right thing to do. it's still too early to tell. if ten years from now, Iraq is a stable country, in the UN, participating in global trade and whatnot, then Bush was right. if ten years from now, we're still struggling, then I'm with you guys 100 percent that this war was not the right thing to do. I agree in ten years things probably won't be the same, but we were more or less promised by Blair and Bush et al that our troops would go in, remove Saddam and install democracy. Though no timeframe was given, it was made to sound like they would be in and out in a matter of months. Instead, they're there a year and a half later, still completely out of control with a thousand plus troops killed and countless Iraqis dead. It frightens me the censorship that is running rampant in regards to this war - in Vietnam it was the news media that made people aware of what was happening and made thousands march against it, which made the US pull troops out. Now you have Bush saying pictures of soldiers' coffins being returned are not to be shown, you have the dead and injured being forgotten - being hardly mentioned numbers in a never ending crusade, rather than what they were - real people with real lives fighting for their country, whether they believed in what they were doing or not. It frightens me. We had a situation with the BBC over here when they reported that Blair had lied to the British people by saying the Iraqis could deploy WMD's in under 45 minutes - which, to be fair, was a lie - but the government launched an "impartial" enquiry into the story and ended up forcing the head of the BBC to resign and the network to apologise for what it said. Even the bastion of truth the BBC isn't safe. Ugh. I've gone on about nothing long enough now, sorry! |
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